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<title>
Sep. 06, 1993: Interview:Mikhail Gorbachev
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<history>
TIME--The Weekly Newsmagazine--1993
Sep. 06, 1993 Boom Time In The Rockies
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<article>
<source>Time Magazine</source>
<hdr>
ENVIRONMENT, Page 53
"Man Is Not A God"
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<body>
<p>By Eugene Linden
</p>
<p> Mikhail Gorbachev
</p>
<p> At the Global Forum in Kyoto, Mikhail Gorbachev talked with
TIME senior writer Eugene Linden.
</p>
<p> Q. Why is it that no other world leaders have adopted this issue?
</p>
<p> A. All policymakers are preoccupied by current politics, the
scarcity of resources, etc. The fact that all of them came to
the Rio Summit, however, means that politicians are beginning
to understand that we have reached a watershed in our relationship
with the environment. Last November, 1,500 scientists, including
100 Nobel prizewinners, stated at a conference that if things
go on like this, within decades our biosphere will suffer irreversible
damage. I think this realization will change the way politicians
think.
</p>
<p> Q. Will it take a global disaster before the rest of the world
takes action?
</p>
<p> A. We are already moving toward global disaster with the speed
of a bullet train.
</p>
<p> Q. Do you think that the measures the world has undertaken are
too little too late?
</p>
<p> A. I think you are right. I know from my own experience what
it means to do too little too late. I know the results. If you
translate that into global terms with regard to the environment,
we can have irreparable consequences.
</p>
<p> Q. What are the most serious problems facing humanity?
</p>
<p> A. We must change behavior and models of consumption. Humanity
must reject self-deification. Man is not a god who owns nature.
Man is part of nature. We must also recognize that productivity
is not keeping pace with population growth, but when we look
at ways to regulate population, it must not come from government
but from new values. People must come to accept smaller families:
I am very much against any use of force in this issue.
</p>
<p> Q. What would you have done had you remained in power?
</p>
<p> A. I would have above all continued reforms. The only way to
fix things is to move from totalitarianism to democracy. Only
a free, confident people can inpolicymakers.
</p>
</body>
</article>
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